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A Natural Gas Centric Strategic Long-Term Comprehensive Energy Policy


25-04-2009

Despite current low oil prices, mankind faces its biggest challenge to date: a future in which worldwide oil supply will not keep pace with worldwide oil demand. An excellent summary of peak oil can be read here. A peak oil future will be characterized by economic contractions of increasing severity. Each economic contraction will lead to sharply reduced oil demand and subsequently reduced short-term oil prices; both are being experienced today. Each economic recovery will see increasingly higher peak oil prices until economic growth is stifled. The world is now on an economic yo-yo which is tightly dependent on oil supply/demand fundamentals and therefore the price of oil. If the planet is indeed entering an era in which worldwide oil supply cannot keep pace with worldwide demand; and if the world economy is indeed dependent on oil to grow; logically these two hypotheses taken together cannot bode well for future worldwide economic prosperity.

In this context, it is important to examine the petroleum supply/demand fundamentals of the world’s largest consumer of oil - the United States:

Worldwide Oil supply
87,500,000 barrels/day
Total US petroleum consumption
20,680,000 barrels/day
Total US petroleum imports
12,036,000 barrels/day

Dependence on net petroleum imports

58.2%

% US oil consumption for transportation

70%

US Motor Gasoline Consumption

390,000,000 gallons/day
EIA, Feb 2009

Looking at these figures, one can make a logical conclusion:

In order to meaningfully reduce foreign oil consumption, the US must significantly reduce demand from its transportation sector.

US dependence on foreign oil imports has led directly to huge American trade deficits and indirectly to massive American fiscal deficits. US policymakers continue to focus on financial based solutions (bailouts, fiscal stimulus, etc) in an attempt to solve a commodity based problem (oil). This approach has been and will continue to be ineffective. The only way to solve the economic, environmental, and national security problems facing the US due to its dependence on foreign oil imports is adoption of a strategic long-term comprehensive energy policy.

Since 70% of American oil is consumed in the transportation sector, US energy policymakers should first identify which domestically available fuel can reduce vehicle oil demand (gasoline) in an economically viable way. The fuel of choice must be capable of being scaled up over the next 5 years in order to significantly reduce foreign oil imports while doing so an in environmentally friendly manner.

Alternatives to the gasoline powered internal combustion engine existing today are:

  • Hybrid Vehicles
  • Electric Vehicles (EVs)
  • Hydrogen fuel-cell Vehicles
  • Natural Gas Vehicles (NGVs)

Although electric/gasoline powered hybrid vehicles do have higher fuel-efficiency standards, they suffer from a basic problem: they still run on gasoline

EVs in theory are an excellent choice. However, until nuclear or renewable wind and solar infrastructures are built out in order to supply the energy necessary to recharge a significant number of EVs, an energy policy based on adoption of EVs will necessitate increased burning of toxic coal. Despite the percentage growth of the last few years, solar and wind combined still produce less than 3% of US electricity demand – clearly insufficient to recharge a significant number of EVs. Additionally, large scale adoption of EVs would likely trade our foreign oil addiction for an addiction to Asian battery technology. And then there is the range anxiety of EVs. The US should continue to develop and deploy EVs and battery technology, but must be pragmatic about their ability to reduce foreign oil imports in the near term.

Within the next 20-50 years hydrogen will likely be the energy fuel of choice due to its abundance, efficiency, and its cleanliness. Yet hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles are simply not a mature technology today. Nor is hydrogen generation or delivery systems ready today.

Natural gas vehicles appear to be the best alternative available today. The technology is proven, mature, and can be readily available. The Honda Civic GX has a range of over 200 miles and is currently being refueled in Utah for $0.88/gallon equivalent. That said, the best solution is the electric/natural gas hybrid vehicle Toyota (TM) introduced last year at the LA Auto Show.

This vehicle has the following advantages:

  • A hybrid that runs on electric batteries and natural gas
  • Over 20% lower CO2 emissions than gasoline vehicles
  • Zero particulate emissions
  • 33 mpg
  • Reduces foreign oil imports
  • 250+ mile range

It is clear that NGVs and CNG/electric hybrids are the best vehicles of choice to reduce foreign oil imports.

Fortunately the US is blessed with an abundant domestic supply of clean, cheap, and readily available natural gas. Recent discoveries of natural gas in the Marcellus, Barnett, Fayetteville, and Bakken shale formations led to a 9-10% increase in US 2008 natural gas production – the largest rate of increase since 1984. The Haynesville shale alone could well turn out to be one of the largest gas fields in the world.

The figure below shows monthly US natural gas production figures and is significant for two reasons. Note the vertical spike in supply over the last few years as companies successfully drilled into these new shale discoveries and brought large new supplies onto the market. This huge increase in supply has been significant enough to break the historical relationship between oil and natural gas price. While oil today is close to $50/barrel, the glut in natural gas supply has pushed prices below $3.60 per MMBtu.


People like Robert Hefner III, who predicted way back in the 1970’s that US natural gas was abundant have been vindicated. In his recent book The Grand Energy Transition (or GET), Hefner presents a powerful case that while natural gas is a fossil fuel and created in many biological processes, it is also quite logical natural gas also has a non-biologic origin. Natural gas is found in many places where oil and coal are not. The reverse is not the case: natural gas is always found wherever coal and oil exist. During the decade of the 1990’s while big oil companies explored primarily for oil, more reserves of natural gas were discovered. As a result of these and other observations, Hefner believes the energy content of worldwide natural gas reserves could well exceed the energy of the world’s coal and oil resources combined.

In addition to lower-48 shale assets, there are huge proven reserves of Alaskan natural gas. Taken together, energy experts now estimate American natural gas reserves are adequate to supply all its home heating, industrial and electrical generation requirements for 60-100 years. If these experts are correct, and recent E&P data indicates they are, this means the US could very easily leverage its natural gas supplies to power cars and trucks in the transportation sector.

From a pricing perspective, today’s low natural gas prices mean many NGV owners are refueling their vehicles at less than half the cost of gasoline. Historically, nat gas has run about 2/3 the price of gasoline. A meaningful shift to natural gas for transportation would significantly increase demand and provide upward pressure on prices. However several recent developments help mitigate these concerns:

  • Recent shale discoveries have greatly increased domestic natural gas supplies.
  • Recent shale discoveries have reduced reliance on hurricane threatened Gulf of Mexico natural gas.
  • Plans to construct natural gas pipelines from Alaska to the lower-48 bold well for longer term natural gas supplies.
  • Worldwide LNG and associated LNG terminal infrastructure will favorably influence natural gas availability and price.

Another factor to be considered when considering natural gas prices is long-term oil prices. If worldwide oil supply will not keep pace with worldwide oil demand, the skyrocketing oil prices of 2008 are only a preview of the future. Therefore, natural gas price estimates must be compared directly with future oil price estimates. In this comparison, abundant natural gas supplies win hands down. Even if natural gas prices do rise, the money US consumers would pay to refuel their NGVs would stay in the United States and go to US based energy companies and as royalties to US farmers and landowners. Who should be funded by American energy dollars? Fellow Americans or unfriendly countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Russia, and Venezuela? This is a no-brainer.

Building a CNG refueling infrastructure would be a significant investment. However, in this day and age of financial bailouts and stimulus packages, why doesn’t it make sense to do so? Like the cross country interstate highway system, or man-on-the-moon projects, a CNG refueling infrastructure would pay dividends to all Americans for decades to come and would pay for itself within 5 years by significantly reducing foreign oil imports. Such an infrastructure build out would provide good jobs, revitalize American companies, and provide much infrastructure that could be reused by a future hydrogen based economy.

One of America’s biggest competitive strengths is its 2.3 million mile natural gas pipeline grid. This grid supplies natural gas to every major metropolitan area in the US. The grid connects 63,000,000 US homes where 130,000,000 cars and trucks could be refueled every night in the garage while their drivers sleep. America’s natural gas reserves combined with her natural gas pipeline grid is the best weapon the US has in the war on foreign oil addiction. Natural gas is the only US domestic fuel that can be scaled up over the next decade to meaningfully reduce foreign oil imports. The US simply needs to make the decision to do so and get it done.

The chart below summarizes the CO2 and particulate emissions of the various fuels.

FUEL
CHEMICAL
COMPOSITION
CHEMICAL
STRUCTURE
EMISSIONS

CO2 EMISSIONS

LBS/MILLION BTU

Coal
60-80% Carbon
5% Hydrogen
Complex
Very toxic
210
Oil

C6H14 (hexane)

C8H18 (octane)

C5H12 to C36H74

Complex
Toxic

156 (gasoline)

161 (diesel)
Natural Gas
CH4 (methane)
Simple
None
115
Hydrogen
H
Simplest
None
None
Wind/Solar
N/A
N/A
None
None

The US burns 390 million gallons of gasoline a day. Each gallon burned combines with oxygen in the air and emits 19 lbs of CO2 into the atmosphere. This means in one year US drivers release 2,704,650 million pounds of CO2 into the Earth’s atmosphere from burning gasoline. In addition to CO2, gasoline emits toxic particulates causing the smog which is visible in so many American cities.

How does natural gas compare? As the chart above shows, natural gas has half the CO2 emissions of coal and 30% less than gasoline. More importantly, natural gas has none (ZERO) of the toxic particulate emissions of coal and oil. It is clear natural gas is environmentally superior to both coal and oil. Environmental “purists” who simply lump natural gas into the “fossil fuels” category are mixing the historical environmental problems (coal and oil) with the 21st century solution (natural gas). Environmental purists who lack the ability to take a pragmatic view of the entire energy problem and support only wind and solar and EVs are shooting themselves in the foot by actually supporting continued short term addiction to oil and coal and the greenhouse gas emissions they spew into the atmosphere!

Natural gas should be the fuel of choice to serve as the backbone of a strategic long-term comprehensive US energy policy:

A Strategic Long-term Comprehensive US Energy Policy

STEP 1: Acknowledge the Problem

  • No difficult problem can be solved until it is first acknowledged. US government and media should inform and educate the American people about the economic, environmental, and national security threats worldwide oil supply/demand realities pose to the US.
  • Create a National Energy Council (NEC) to develop and speed implementation of top-level energy strategy. The director of the NEC should report directly to the President at the Cabinet level.
STEP 2: Articulate a Top-level Energy Strategy
  • US government and industry need to articulate and publicize a top-level energy strategy that can be summarized as follows: the US needs to use less dirty and expensive coal and imported oil and instead use more US domestic natural gas, wind, solar, nuclear and hydrogen.
  • US energy policy must recognize that natural gas is the only domestic fuel supply capable of being scaled-up within the next 5-10 years to meaningfully reduce American's foreign oil imports and greenhouse gas emissions. America should become the world leader in CNG vehicles and CNG refueling.

STEP 3: Conservation and Energy Efficiency

  • Increase fuel-efficiency standards substantially and immediately.
  • Increase gas guzzler green taxes and encourage non-gasoline powered vehicles via increased tax rebates.
  • Impose a top speed limit of 60 mph nationwide.
  • Adopt four-day workweeks wherever and whenever it makes sense.
  • Conservation and efficiency guidelines should be issued by federal, state, and local governments.

STEP 4: Transportation Initiatives

  • Convert at least half of all American cars and trucks to run on CNG by the year 2015. This will be done by retrofitting existing vehicles to run on natural gas, and by increased production of CNG vehicles. Tax credits should cover conversion costs.
  • Focus on natural gas home refueling appliances to enable widespread ownership of NGVs to the 130 million vehicles already residing in homes on the existing natural gas grid. Tax credits should cover the installation costs of a CNG home refueling appliances.
  • Tax credits should be given to gas stations in order to cover costs of providing natural gas refueling pumps. Tax credits should also be available to businesses so employees can refuel with CNG at work.
  • Substantial government assistance for US automakers to tool-up CNG and CNG/electric hybrid vehicle production. Government assistance will extend to the production of home refueling appliances.
  • Tax credits to build out natural gas refueling stations along the nation's interstate highway system.
  • All government vehicle fleets should switch to NGV’s. Encourage local municipal use of natural gas (refuse pickup, buses, mass transit, etc). Develop the natural gas conversion kit market to convert existing gasoline powered vehicles to NGVs.
  • Develop electric and natural gas powered mass transit for people and goods.
  • Place a green tax on all imported oil and all coal usage. The revenue generated will go *only* toward building the natural gas, wind, solar, and electrical infrastructures needed to move toward a gas based energy society. The taxes should be ramped up over a 5 year period to allow for economic planning and adjustment.

STEP 5: Prioritize and Invest in Sustainable Green Energy Sources

  • Abolish federal subsidies for the oil and coal industries.
  • Abolish biofuel and ethanol mandates. Abolish import taxes on Brazilian ethanol.
  • Eliminate the construction of new coal power plants. Replace existing coal plants with more distributed natural gas electrical generation.
  • Construct a trans-Canadian natural gas pipeline from Alaska to the lower-48.
  • Begin a government sponsored “battery technology” program in order to insure that the US is a leader in battery research, design, and manufacturing.
  • Invest in wind, solar, nuclear, geothermal, and tidal energy generation to power non-gasoline powered transportation solutions.
  • The natural gas & electric grid infrastructures must be updated and their capacities dramatically increased.
  • The government must deem electric transmission lines a matter of national security and invoke eminent domain in order to construct them as needed to deliver solar and wind energy from source to consumption.
  • Streamline permitting and construction of latest generation nuclear power plants and LNG terminals.
  • Open the continental shelf and Alaska to natural gas drilling. The royalties on these resources will help fund other components of this energy plan.
  • Use wind and solar power generation of hydrogen via electrolysis as a storage mechanism for calm and cloudy days. Hydrogen power generation needs encouragement.
  • Increase funding for hydrogen fusion research and development.

STEP 6: Social Initiatives

  • Encourage local sustainability in energy generation, food production, and transportation.
  • Encourage population control through education.
  • Encourage green power education, business, and industry.
  • The US voting public should demand energy accountability by its political leadership.
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Investment ideas based on such an energy policy:

  • For natural gas vehicles: Honda Motor Company (HMC), Toyota Motor (TM), and Clean Energy Fuels (CLNE). Hopefully Ford (F) and General Motors (GM) could be added to this list in the near future.
  • For natural gas: Chesapeake Energy (CHK), ConocoPhillips (COP), Range Resources (RRC), British Petroleum (BP), and Quicksilver Resources (KWK).
  • For natural gas infrastructure plays: General Electric (GE), Ingersoll Rand (IR), Fluor (FLR), and Air Products & Chemicals (APD).

Disclosures: The author owns COP.

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    This is a derivation on the Pickens plan.Reformed oil man, repenting sinner, and borne again environmentalist T. Boone Pickens says that “when we turn the US green, it will have the best economy ever.” I met the spry, homespun billionaire at San Francisco’s Mark Hopkins on a leg of his self financed national campaign to get America to kick its dangerous dependence on foreign oil imports. For the past 30 years, the US has had no energy policy because “no one wanted to kick a sleeping dog.” Production at Mexico’s main Cantarell field is collapsing, and will force that country to become a net importer in five years. Venezuela is shifting its exports of its sulfur laden crude to China for political reasons, once refineries in the Middle Kingdom are completed to handle it. Unfortunately, the collapse of energy prices since June and the disappearance of credit have put urgent alternative energy development on a back burner, with his preferred natural gas (NG) taking the biggest hit. If the US doesn’t make the right investments now, our energy dependence will simply shift from one self interested foreign supplier (Saudi Arabia) to another (China). Wind and solar alone won’t work on still nights, and can’t power an 18 wheeler. Don’t count on the help of the big oil companies because they get 81% of their earnings from selling imported oil. The answer is in a diverse blend of multiple alternative energy supplies from American only sources. Although Boone now has Obama’s ear, it’s a long learning process. Boone has donated $700 million to charity, and says the 20,000 trees has planted should offset the carbon footprint of his Gulfstream V. I worked with Boone to organize financing for a Mesa Petroleum Pac Man oil company takeover in the early eighties, when it was cheaper to drill for oil on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange than in the field. Now 80, he has not slowed down a nanosecond.
    Apr 24 10:54 AM | Link | Reply
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    • nrgwatcher
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    There are still a lot of gaping holes in peak oil theory, but heck, nothing draws attention to a cause better than prophecies of societal annihilation. Still, I'm all for converting to American natural gas, wind, biofuels, whatever it takes, but there's one major obstacle nobody wants to deal with. The Luddites and Greens oppose virtually all new energy production, even if it's renewable. Along with other pie-eyed dreamers, they share control of the political Left and, in case anyone missed it, the Left now runs Washington like Anthony Soprano did New Jersey. Pelosi, Reid, Schumer and their ilk will do whatever it takes to limit future drilling and expansion of the resource base.
    Apr 24 12:19 PM | Link | Reply
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    Hi Michael,
    Excellent, persuasive article on your favorite topic! NG transportation happens to be important to me also, and that's largely due to some of your recent articles.

    I’m frustrated beyond belief that our country is so sluggish to do anything to address the energy noose around our collective necks. We just continue to kick the can down the road. That’s been a 35 year road by my count. Ho-hum. Oil is relatively cheap now. Life is good. We can fill our gas tanks for less than two bucks a gallon. Funny how the sudden price drop makes everything seem so warm and fuzzy. Problem solved, another crisis averted by that trusty American standby -- procrastination.

    The need to supplant at least a portion of our oil imports is obvious, as has been successfully argued in your posts many times.

    It's hard to believe that NG/CNG is virtually ignored as a motor fuel, for all the reasons you mention. It's a proven technology that we can use NOW! Guys have been doing self-conversions of cars and pickups for over two decades. Local government fleets have proven the technology.

    That NG would reduce air pollution is obvious. It's a much cleaner burning fuel, so much so that people somehow find a way to burn it in their kitchens to cook dinner. It's long been known that lubricant oil changes can be extended to the durability limits of the lubricant itself, because it doesn't become contaminated by gasoline combustion byproducts.

    I suspect that the main drawback in the minds of many people is along the lines of concerns raised by User283977 in another post, whether " ... we have sufficient natural gas reserves to meet 10, 20, and 30% of transportation demand over the next 20 - 30 years ...".

    Another huge concern is the impact on NG supplies and prices. That really needs to be addressed in a convincing way by anybody arguing for using NG as a motor fuel. Many people, especially politicians, would cringe at the thought of burning NG in competition with the mom and her shivering kids who already have a hard time paying for home heating in the dead of winter.

    People just need a bit more reassurance on availability of supply and price. Don't get me wrong. I want that Toyota NG-Hybrid today! I believe NG is a viable and immediately available supplement to petroleum distillates for transportation. I look at it this way: political will and popular support were able to push ethanol forward until it became painfully obvious that it was a very bad idea. The US went to ethanol because it's easy. It was easy politically because it immediately appealed to the grain belt states, and it’s easy to produce using old technology, and it blends into the existing fueling infrastructure - except that it must be transporting by trucks, not pipelines. If we can develop ethanol despite its net consumption of more energy than it provides, NG as an intrinsically superior alternative, should be a fairly straightforward sell to the American people.

    --R
    Apr 24 12:43 PM | Link | Reply
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    • ripskii
    • 55 Comments
    Your ideas for solving our energy problems are excellent and well presented. I'm not so sure about hydrogen as a transport fuel in the future but perhaps a breakthrough will improve its potential. The other area that requires immediate attention is pushing forward with the IFR nuclear reactor development. We will need some more of the current technology nuclear plants to bridge the gap until IFR generators take over but we must be sure to NOT use any intermediate designs that produce waste products that cannot be burned in the IFR reactors.

    For investment ideas you forgot to include Westport (WPRT), the maker of heavy duty NG fueled engines for trucks and buses.
    Apr 24 12:45 PM | Link | Reply
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    The only real salvation to the world's energy crisis, is Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR). You must watch a very important CBS 60 Minutes program just aired this past Sunday, April 19, 09. Follow the link in this article to watch it:

    The True Rationale of Commodities Supply and Demand
    stockology.blogspot.co...

    I believe UNG is about at the bottom and it is time to addgressively add positions in UNG.
    Apr 24 12:52 PM | Link | Reply
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    • rrbatch
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    Good, factual post! We certainly need to wean the U.S. away from imported petroleum quickly, and with minimum expense. CNG may be the way, if not bio-fuels and EVs. Probably a mix of each of these as well as petroleum-based fuels during a transition period.

    One flaw in the CNG argument is the 4:1 lower energy density of CNG vs. gasoline. Thus for equal range and energy efficiency, a car powered by CNG would require 4x the tank volume of a gasoline-powered car. I don't know how the Honda GX packages its tank into its body, but I suspect it simply has reduced range and/or trunk space compared to a gasoline-powered version.

    The cost of conversion from gasoline to CNG runs $5000 to $7000 per vehicle, and it's hard to believe that this will be economic until the price of gasoline returns to well over $4 per gallon. I drive a Ford Escape hybrid, and I figured I'd break even on the $3000 cost premium after tax credit with gasoline over $2.75 a gallon; made money last summer, not this year. The cost to convert the entire U.S. light vehicle fleet of 240 million vehicles (R.L. Polk) to CNG would be an astronomical $1.5 trillion (doesn't sound so bad in comparison with the projected federal deficit).

    Safety is also a concern: a house I used to live in blew up a few years ago because a technician made a wrong connection to a high pressure gas line. Two houses were destroyed here in central Virginia last year when an interstate gas line blew up. The thought of householders plugging their cars into gas lines for overnight refills scares me. But then gasoline is explosive, too, it's just not under pressure. CNG refueling at service stations with trained operators and reliable devices sounds better to me; that's how I get the propane bottle for our grill refilled.

    For these reasons, the Pickens Plan dropped the idea of using CNG for light vehicles last year, and is now concentrated on adoption of CNG for heavy trucks. This is supported by the fact that major CNG lines tend to parallel the major interstate truck routes. I have every respect for Boone Pickens and his investment in the cause; he has the good sense to realize the limitations of CNG as a vehicle fuel in the near term.

    You suggest a number of policy steps that should be taken, and I can agree with some, particularly slapping an import tax on petroleum. I do not believe that there is an effective government solution to the problem, however; far better to let the market sort out the best among alternative fuels for our future transportation needs.
    Apr 24 01:26 PM | Link | Reply
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    hello all, and thanks for reading and commenting. i apologize for the table/text overlap problem..it must be something i am doing in my original .doc file, but i haven't figured it out yet. the tech folks at SA are looking into it. hopefully, i can fix it in the future! meantime, i'll jump in:

    MadHedgeFundTrader: i agree with most of what you said there except for perhaps one comment: that boone has obama's ear. although boone has apparently (finally) earned a seat at the table, i have yet to once hear obama utter the words "natural gas transportation". further, obama's energy secretary recently said he is "agnostic" about nat gas transportation. you may be right that pickens has obama's ear..whether obama and his administration are listening is i suppose another question.

    nrgwatcher: i agree that the "greenies" (as you refer to them) are shooting themselves in the foot because of their lack of pragmatism wrt energy policy. their positions to back solar and wind at the expense of natural gas is, in fact, keeping us addicted to coal and oil and the emissions they spew into the atmosphere. i consider myself an environmentalist, and i fully support solar, wind, and EVs...but a realistic view of the energy challenges posed to the US by peak oil and our 60% dependence on foreign oil and their emissions require some common sense decisions. so, i'll take the nat gas's 20%/50% CO2 reductions over gasoline/coal (respectively) and the lack of particulate emissions. where you and i differ is on peak oil. if you don't believe in peak oil, how do you explain traders putting a $50 price on oil today when inventories are at a 20 year high and we are in the deepest recession since the 30's? in the "old days", oil would be at $8/barrel right now. but they are at $50 and i believe that's because the traders understand peak oil, and they understand that china is snapping up oil reserves all over the world while the US sends all its middle class taxpayer monies to rich bankers, insurance, and financial services executives..

    respirate: thanks. and you are right, User283977 sent back some great feedback and i am working on that article right now - hopefully SA will publish it as a companion article to this one. i am having fun with the calculations and it very interesting (at least to me, but i am nat gas OCD). and yeah! i would pay $30k in a NEW YORK SECOND for that toyota electric/nat gas hybrid. i'd buy TWO of em!! hopefully, my next article will address some of your concerns about nat gas supplies and prices - plz look for it and send in more feedback. thanks.

    ripskii: yeah, hydrogen is out there in the future, i agree. meantime, i hate to admit it because i used to be anti-nuke, but, looking at the energy projections and our current over-reliance on coal i must admit i agree with you on nuclear. i simply don't see how we can meaningfull deploy EVs without adding more nuclear supply. thanks for pointing out westport - honestly, i wasn't aware of the company but since they fuel trucks and buses, and since most CNG use is in fleets today, you're right, WPRT could be an excellent investment. i need to investigate a bit.

    mark anthony: i agree we need more nuclear, although i must plead ignorance when it comes to the technical distinctions between IFR (see ripskiis comment) and the LENR you refer to. perhaps i will start looking into nuclear as, after my next NG article, i am not sure there is much more for me to write about in the nat gas area. thanks for the link, i'll watch it tonite.

    rrbatch: thanks for the compliments. i used to support biofuels, but after reading Robert Hefner's book (The GET), i no longer support them. they cause food inflation and use ever more critical water supplies. also, it just doesnt make sense when cheaper and clean nat gas is readily available. regarding your energy density argument, that is why it is CNG (emphasis on compressed). the Civic GX is spec'd for 8 GGE (gas gallon equivalent) at 3600 psi.
    you're right about conversion costs, and this is one case where i think gov tax rebates should pick up the tab. it would put alot of people to work in the auto industry, reduce foreign oil imports, and clean up the air - a lot more benefits than these financial bailouts are providing, that's for sure. as far as the total cost to convert, that cost would pay for itself easily in a few years with the reduction in foreign oil and the subsequent money staying in the states by going to american energy and auto companies as well as for nat gas royalties to farmers and landowners. as far as safety, people keep saying that about NG vehicles and my research, with all due respect, shows that it simply is not true that NGVs are more dangerous than gasoline vehicles. you can find disastrous wrecks with each. safety data from california and utah, two states with significant numbers of NGVs do not support the conclusion that NGVs are much more dangerous than gasoline cars and trucks. can u point me to a study that says otherwise? i'd like to read it. i don't think that is why pickens dropped CNG for cars and light trucks, he never supported them in the first place. that is one of the differences i have with pickens, he's always been about fleets and i simply don't see how fleets alone will reduce foreign oil imports to the extent the country needs to do so. as far as the markets sorting out the best alternative - isn't that exactly how we got to our current 60% reliance on foreign oil in the first place? actually i am wrong - the government is subsidizing coal and oil now! why not *change* and support cleaner, abundant, and US produced cheap natural gas for the transportation sector instead? we need to make a big U-turn, on a huge scale, fairly quickly. i simply can't see how this is done without government policy initiatives. otherwise, we simply stay addicted to foreign oil, and we know where that will lead us (i.e. economically it looks alot like where we are today...). thanks.
    Apr 24 02:46 PM | Link | Reply
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    • ripskii
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    Fitz: Yeah, I used to be against nuclear power too primarily due to the accumulation of very long half life waste with no responsible solution to dispose of it. The IFR reactor changes all that however as it can burn up all the accumulated waste and recycle it into a waste with about 200 year half life and a much smaller quantity of it too. This is a viable solution that has been set aside for over a dozen years. GE has a design called the S-Prism that is based upon the IFR technology and while the concepts have all been built, tested and proven they work a commercial sized unit remains to be built. This is a vital component of any long range clean energy program and we must get moving on it. Quite a lot of information is out there on the subject, just Google IFR reactor. Below is a link that explains what was done on this program.

    skirsch.com/politics/g...

    Pickens' effort to introduce gas (CNG & LNG)as a transport fuel for trucks and buses depends on Westport to deliver the engines and they are doing it.

    Apr 24 04:27 PM | Link | Reply
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    How about comprehensive policy: let market decide? If there is a competitive natgas or electric vehicle technology, it will win on the market. If not, it's not gonna happen anyway.

    No technology is sustainable if it needs constant government support.

    And let's stop offending our main oil suppliers: Canada and Mexico. They are NOT supporters of terrorism. They are NOT unfriendly. They are our neighbors and friends.
    Apr 24 05:28 PM | Link | Reply
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    ripskii: ok, now you have intrigued me. i am going to start doing some nuclear energy research after my next nat gas article. thanks for the link.

    alex filonov: ok, let's let the market decide: take away the subsidies for coal and oil and let the chips fall where they may! you seem to forget the heavy subsidies that coal and oil are getting now, and have been getting, since the 1970's. add in the oil wars and the cost to secure oil shipments to the US and then where does nat gas stand? answer: a superior US produced fuel. here's the real history: congress, at the advice of exxon at the time, actually prohibited natural gas from new industrial and electrical generation in the late 1970's (!). that is what led to the huge buildout in coal burning electrical generation in the US (which we are now paying a huge environmental cost for). natural gas has taken a backseat to oil and coal ever since in the eyes of the government and governmental policy. i mean, have you actually read EPA regulations wrt NGVs? what a joke. you should consider reading robert hefner's book, The Grand Energy Transition, so you can get the full story. also, i have never offended canada or mexico. i have said that mexico will likely cease to be a significant oil exporter within the next 5 years, and i have stated that i think it is ridiculous to use huge caterpillars to dig oil sands out of the ground, boil it using natural gas and lots of fresh water, only to obtain a low grade crude that needs further refining in order to achieve gasoline when we have natural gas ready to use as is! that is not the market deciding, that is government policy keeping us addicted to oil at any and every cost. it's absurd in my opinion.
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    Michael, I don't know what you mean about "subsidies for oil." It's the most heavily taxed and regulated industry in the world, from wellhead to retail gas pump.

    CNG is okay for light passenger cars (assuming all the tax breaks and subsidies you indicated for infrastructure), but it can't power aircraft or heavy equipment.

    Commercial oil companies, large and small, are plain old fashioned industrial enterprises. They are being shut out and squeezed by governments. Remaining potential exists in abundance, but no one wants to lose billions (again) in Russia.

    The one and only cure for peak oil is to get government out of the way, let the market allocate investment. Obviously, that's not going to happen, so you're probably right -- the illogical solution will win.
    Apr 24 10:58 PM

 

  • Fitz: I was looking for the Hefner book, but couldn't find one on any of the usual web sites (Amazon etc). Any advice on where to find it? I did find an interesting tv link of an interview with Hefner.

    fora.tv/2009/02/24/Rob...

    A book that discusses the IFR reactor and other interesting related subjects is "Prescription for the Planet" by Tom Blees and is available on Amazon. I found its organization frustrating but it contains a lot of useful information and ideas that offer solutions for many of our energy (and environmental) problems.

    As an interesting aside the ancient Chinese drilled for natural gas in the 1st century BC achieving depths up to 4800 feet using bamboo drills strings and iron drill bits. Ref. "The Genius of China" by Robert Temple pg. 51-54

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